Oh I just remembered another one - however just a warning - this movie, although one my all time favorites - is quite disturbing.
just n from bethel
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Best Songs used by Movies
by Darth plaugeis inok best sex scenes in movies are up right now, how about songs that have been out for years then used in a movie and will always be tied to that movie???.
my fav is this one.... never heard the song the same way.
stuck in the middle with you/ stealers wheels.
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Best Songs used by Movies
by Darth plaugeis inok best sex scenes in movies are up right now, how about songs that have been out for years then used in a movie and will always be tied to that movie???.
my fav is this one.... never heard the song the same way.
stuck in the middle with you/ stealers wheels.
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just n from bethel
Lots of different tastes here, which is nice for variety. Personally I never was too into the very popular overplayed ones, usually in big budget movies that were overrated as well. On the other hand I can never get enough of radiohead. But alas, Steelers Wheel takes the crown. I think there are some close seconds though:
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Couples baptism
by petuniadillinger indon't give up, that is what seeking baptism of the holy spirit is all about.
we all could use some inner cleansing and dedicate this searching to come to an end with a renewal if necessary of baptism from the holy ghost.
you know the human touch is the best rule of thumb when we are literaly paralzyed with fears of nothing at all.
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just n from bethel
hey when did the insane asylum get internet access?
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Speaking in Tongues
by Pinned Blouse ini have visited several churches with family and friends and this is something that i cannot get used to.
i do not know if this is basically done in black churches or not ( i am aa) but it makes me a little uncomfortable.
i will say that i have had feelings in these churches that i have never felt in the kh.
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just n from bethel
this kid still has the gift of prophecy
Actually I'd take his word over any religious person that claimed ability to speak in tongues.
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A Terry inspired post - Whose interpretation do you follow?
by donny interry had a great post the other day entitled " if the bible is so darned great---why don't people just read it?.
" yesterday someone knocked on my door and by the time i got there they had left and i found this postcard taped to the door.. the front has a picture of an open bible and the words "now is the time to know" below that is this statement: (bolding theirs).
"the bible is as relevant as ever to your life and family.
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just n from bethel
And my simple 'rational' point was that if revelations are "personal" then that means by definition that they all come from within one's mind - not some external invisible life-force.
If they really were from a divine nature - there wouldn't be this worldwide divergence of revelations with conflicting visions. I provide a logical explanation as to the absurdity of personal revelations being divine in origin, and all I ever get is "well, they're personal - so you just can't understand unless you have one". (Of course when I ask how to get one myself - the only answer I get is to believe or truly open my heart (as if I haven't given that a fair shot) in the Lord, Allah, Buddah, or some Hindu diety depending on who I ask. Here on this board - where almost all come from a Christian culture which has lodged Christian associations into their innermost neurological system - it's primarily Jesus that gives revelations; but they'll never admit it could be that just their brain has formed some kind of defense mechanism and attached it to a man-made belief system based on their culture/environment.)
Your saying "personal" is much more generalising than my saying 'internally generated from one's mind'.
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A Terry inspired post - Whose interpretation do you follow?
by donny interry had a great post the other day entitled " if the bible is so darned great---why don't people just read it?.
" yesterday someone knocked on my door and by the time i got there they had left and i found this postcard taped to the door.. the front has a picture of an open bible and the words "now is the time to know" below that is this statement: (bolding theirs).
"the bible is as relevant as ever to your life and family.
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just n from bethel
I'm not sure what else to say. As I said just a bit ago, most of the rational points will be ignored. And that has happened in just a few quick posts. All my points about people being emotionally attached to incorrect ideas- the thoughts posted seemed pretty logical, considering how most here feel that's the case with many JWs. Nonetheless, those thoughts get ignored.
Instead we get "there are many paths to God". Which if true, could very well mean that JWs are included in such paths. But even most personal revelationists here will go on and say "No - their way of worship is false and wrong. Not only have I used logic and facts to prove it, but I've had a personal revelation from the Lord to confirm it." The fallacy in such a statement should be obvious. Therefore the whole "revelations are personal" diatribe continues.
But it will have to be without me, because I got tired of running around in illogical circles with JWs. So there is no way I'm going to waste even more time doing it with those who don't have even the slightest ability to give evidence of personal divine revelations. At least JWs had some semblance of reasonableness in their explanations.
Nonetheless, I did want to acknowledge those who claimed personal revelations since they did make some attempt to explain them. It has helped me make my peace. I always had a lingering thought in the back of my mind that wondered if there was anything to these so called visions. I thought "am I missing something that God hasn't given me? - Does God give some people at random, different visions that conflict with one another - even those of the same supposed faith?" While I'm fine with those who have had them and believe they're real - I am at the same time glad I noted that such ones have never been able to give any rational explanation as to why others should think they might be real. I know none of them would ever want to entertain the thought that such revelations might have been subconsciously generated from their imagination, perhaps due to a challenging emotional state they found themselves in. But for those that continue to post nothing with any substance about why we should believe in visions - for that - I thank you.
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Why didn't we ever study "Mankind's Search For God"?
by gubberningbody inwas there an official or unofficial reason that anyone knows of?.
it seems to me that pretty much every publication was studied at the book study, but we never did that one..
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just n from bethel
WAC won't post it because a secret government agency is watching him - he knows he'd be in trouble. So we'll just have to trust him.
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A Terry inspired post - Whose interpretation do you follow?
by donny interry had a great post the other day entitled " if the bible is so darned great---why don't people just read it?.
" yesterday someone knocked on my door and by the time i got there they had left and i found this postcard taped to the door.. the front has a picture of an open bible and the words "now is the time to know" below that is this statement: (bolding theirs).
"the bible is as relevant as ever to your life and family.
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just n from bethel
I base this on observing revelationists around the world. They are emotionally attached to an idea that they claim just popped out of the sky one day. Nobody else gets to have even the same idea - or if they say they do, just as many say they received revelations telling them the opposite details.
Many have admitted that, to try and help long-time aging JW family see the facts, well that could do more harm than good - to take away the idea that JWs are God's org. This has been discussed and most agree they would not want to see the pain and mental anguish it would cause on those aged JW family members who just couldn't handle it. So it's not a new concept.
Why wouldn't the same concept apply to those who have received revelations? Showing them facts that they had been duped by their own mind is probably worse than showing a JW facts that they had been duped by an organization.
Some may be able to handle it - but others probably couldn't.
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A Terry inspired post - Whose interpretation do you follow?
by donny interry had a great post the other day entitled " if the bible is so darned great---why don't people just read it?.
" yesterday someone knocked on my door and by the time i got there they had left and i found this postcard taped to the door.. the front has a picture of an open bible and the words "now is the time to know" below that is this statement: (bolding theirs).
"the bible is as relevant as ever to your life and family.
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What's also interesting is that despite the different visions and voices that the personal revelationsists supposedly hear and see - is that in mainly Christian-based cultures, it all somehow relates to Christian doctrine that has been taught in the churches of western lands. However - you go around the world to Eastern lands and you find that people have the same exact type of revelation that's related to what the Buddhists/Hindus/Islam/[take your pick] - and they make the claim that their vision is the way to salvation.
To make a claim that ANY of these revelations are not just some kind of subconscious emotional response... well that just reeks of arrogance and a stubborn failure to examine the facts. Then I like how others will make a claim that if you're not receiving your own similar (but likely different in dogma) revelation, and you're not being One with the Lord (even though no details are ever really given on how to do this other than: "it's very personal - just believe really really hard") - then you're just 'terrified of the prospect' of having your own revelation.
I say that those that think they've had a revelation are just terrified of the prospect that it only was some kind of subconscious emotional chemical imbalance - and to even look into themselves as to what could have caused that and find out that is was psychological, and not really a vision from a invisible spirits -well, I say they're terrified of that prospect.
But that will just be ignored - because most revelationsists need to believe it was real so bad - that if they were to find out it wasn't real they probably couldn't handle it mentally. So what if they go on with their beliefs that can't be proven- as long as they remain harmless, the worst thing they do is try to tell everyone else they're wrong. I say it doesn't matter if what Donny said is so obvious that revelationists have no real answer - he made clear most of the personal revelationists disagree on important details even if they all claim Christianity. If they're harmless enough, let's just let them be - for who knows what kind of breakdown they would have if they realized those voices they were hearing were the result of chemical imbalances. I know I don't want to be responsible for pushing anyone like that over the edge.
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Question for Billy The Ex-Bethelite and others who had forgone college sometime ago.
by garyneal ini was talking with my wife today about college and i asked her about why the society makes such a big deal about witnesses not going to college.
in typical dub fashion, my wife tells me that they do not discourage college, but they do not encourage it either.
instead, they encourage placing kingdom interests first.. now i told her about you (billy) and how you were at bethel and are now starting college at the age of 40 (i think that is correct).
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just n from bethel
Gary - about that college fund - look into 529 plans - your daughter can only use it for education, in other words it would be difficult for her to blow it.
Also - more info for your wife is that all JWs know the watchtower talks about how university is mainly for worldly careers - and to seek out high-paying jobs, etc. - She should agree with that or she's blocking out what they say at assemblies and in the publications. However, all education professionals will clear up this misconception right away - she should know herself really: a university education is about learning how to think - how to really use your mind. I was fortunate enough to go because my high school had a joint program for the first two years with the local U. So my parents didn't really object because it was like I was still in HS. I ended up graduating from a different U some years later because I put my last two years of University education on hold after I graduted from high school. Why? - to do full time service of course!
Anyway - education is an interesting subject. I have had many conversations with many elders that absolutely plan on sending their kids to college. WT can say whatever it wants - but I can tell you right now, privately this matter is something that many feel the org is wrong on. I heard a GB member just two years ago at a Special Assembly - give that illustration about shooting a tumor out with a gun...he compared that to going to college. That was another big nail for me.